What Mike Pence said at his CNN town hall

Republican presidential candidate Mike Pence talks with supporters during a stop on June 8, 2023, in Waukee, Iowa.

Republican presidential candidate Mike Pence talks with supporters throughout a cease on the Pizza Ranch, Thursday, June 8, 2023, in Waukee, Iowa. The previous vice chairman is campaigning on the distinction between himself and former President Donald Trump.

Charlie Neibergall, Related Press

Former Vice President Mike Pence drew distinctions between himself and former President Donald Trump throughout a CNN city corridor in Des Moines, Iowa, on Wednesday on points like pardoning these concerned within the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the U.S. Capitol, prison justice and the struggle in Ukraine.

“You can't ever permit what occurred on Jan. 6 to occur once more within the coronary heart of our democracy,” Pence mentioned. “I've no curiosity or no intention of pardoning people who assaulted law enforcement officials, vandalized our Capitol.”

Trump has indicated he’s keen to pardon individuals concerned within the assault, however Pence mentioned, “they should be answerable to the legislation.”

Pence mentioned he did imagine there have been some irregularities within the 2020 election however that he did his obligation in certifying the election outcomes after then-candidate Joe Biden gained.

“The Bible says he retains his oath even when it hurts, and I do know one thing about that,” Pence mentioned. “I do know the frustration in regards to the 2020 election. In case you bear in mind, I used to be on the poll.”

Pence mentioned Trump shouldn’t be indicted by the Justice Division as a result of he believes it could be divisive to the nation.

“Indicting a former president of the USA sends a horrible message to the world,” he mentioned. “I hope the DOJ thinks higher of it and resolves these points with out an indictment.”

Pence criticized Trump’s dealing with of Jan. 6 throughout his announcement speech Wednesday, saying anybody who places himself over the Structure shouldn’t be president. He declined on CNN to reply a query on whether or not he would pardon Trump as president, saying, “I don’t wish to talk about hypotheticals. I’m undecided I’m going to be elected president of the USA.”

If he doesn’t win the Republican nomination, Pence mentioned he’ll assist the eventual nominee and he isn’t apprehensive about it being Trump as a result of he doesn’t assume Trump can win.

“I don’t assume my outdated working mate goes to be the Republican nominee for president,” Pence mentioned. “Completely different occasions name for various management.”

Pence criticized Trump over his stance on the struggle in Ukraine and feedback about Russian chief Vladimir Putin.

“When Vladimir Putin rolled into Ukraine, the previous president referred to as him a genius,” Pence mentioned. “I do know the distinction between a genius and a struggle prison and I do know who must win within the struggle in Ukraine and it’s the individuals combating for his or her freedom and combating to revive their nationwide sovereignty in Ukraine.”

Pence additionally mentioned he would “take a step again” from the First Step Act, a prison justice reform invoice Trump signed into legislation in 2018, and in contrast Trump’s place on entitlement reform to Biden’s, saying he’s open to a change in eligibility for Social Safety whereas Trump isn’t.

“It is usually disappointing to me that Donald Trump’s place on entitlement reform is similar to Joe Biden’s,” Pence mentioned. “I imply, their coverage is insolvency.”

When discussing abortion, Pence mentioned he wouldn't relaxation “till we restore the sanctity of life to the middle of American legislation in each state within the nation.” He declined to particularly say whether or not he supported paid household depart or little one care assist, however mentioned, “We now have to care as a lot about newborns and moms as we do in regards to the unborn.”

He mentioned he helps laws banning gender transition and surgical procedures for these beneath the age of 18, however mentioned, “Nevertheless adults wish to reside, they'll reside.”

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